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Shaun King's avatar

Everything about this made my blood boil

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Tony Gallucci's avatar

Blame is so deep and wide here every day I come away with 10 more people at high levels that we should blame. The corporate controlled media is to blame just as much. These were not secrets just Well hidden they were secrets never told…how can we trust our country? I remember asking Bernie Sanders that very question before 2016. How can we trust our country who allows things like this to happen? I don’t know anymore. I used to live here. The country moved. I didn’t.

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Rosalba Cofer's avatar

AIPAC buys complete allegiance and willful ignorance.

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Shane Fitzgerald's avatar

God politicians are the biggest weasels - would sell their mum into slavery while they're in power to protect monsters like Netanyahu. But when they're out, the moralising and high-minded ethical codes start to come out.

I'm not American by the way, Shaun, albeit a huge amount of my work centres on the US, the Liberal Order, Russia and China etc.

For me, watching from the outside, US politics has been the tale of two cancers over the last decade. There is the Establishment strain, and then there is the Trumpian mutant strain. Trump is both a symptom and a driver for the rot that set in decades ago and has now come to a head. In some ways, the Trumpian mutant strain is better - mainly in avoiding WW3. But they're both cancers at the end of the day. I will say though, the Democrats are more loathsome at times.

Makes your blood boil, agreed. Hopefully we can get to a place where politicians can be prosecuted as standard practice for stuff like this.

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Maura's avatar

You are naive if you think the world would be safer under a technofascist, multipolar political ecosystem. Totalitarianism in any form is unsustainable and at its heart, evil. Your “dream” society will surely bring about more genocide and a disastrous feudal system.

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Shane Fitzgerald's avatar

I said nothing of my 'dream' society. The worst-case scenario is WW3, and it is a real possibility. I simply see anything that makes this less likely as preferable. This is where pragmatism, reason and a healthy love of peace lead, regardless of grand pronoucements about technofascism.

Moreover, go ask most of the world what they'd prefer? The Liberal Order as it was, or a new balance of powers?

All the stats and polls say it's only Europe and North America that love the Liberal Order, which is no surprise considering the pretense towards universalism was actually just a particularlist order serving the interests of a particular set of countries.

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Maura's avatar

Autocracy is not new. Autocracy begets tyranny. A people without a representative government, without a voice, with the constant fear of retribution is a frightened, cowed people with no hope. With tyrannical regimes in place, in which absolute power is the goal, would not be a great predictor for a “new world order.” I believe it brings us closer to a world war, man-induced famine, and other atrocities.

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Shane Fitzgerald's avatar

A balance of powers is not a world order as you seem to think - it's a means of ensuring some general peace in what is a divided and contested world.

Look at what the replacement of regimes around the world has led to? In Iraq, in Libya, in Afghanistan, in Syria, in Ukraine even now? All of these countries are far worse off now than before the US and its social-engineering projects to reshape them. The west has neither the power, nor the legitimacy to continue along this line. And, as I've said, every regime change and 'humanitarian' intervention makes these countries worse.

What you're saying doesn't work. It makes things far worse. It has led to an ever-larger military and surveillance state which sees enemies from within and without. It's destabilised the Middle East and led to the mass displacement of people to Europe, which has led to a surge in right-wing politics, which you hate. You shouldn't want any of this because it only puts the things you care about in ever more danger and makes the forces you hate stronger.

There is no universal world. With the single exception of proven genocide (as in Gaza), the west needs to stay out of everyone else's business and get its own house in order. I'm a liberal and like liberal values. It's a domestic political system I like. It's not for everyone, and it contravenes the essence of liberalism to impose it on a people and a society. Liberal democracy should not be weaponised to go around the world provoking wars and beating societies with different views and values over the head.

I hope all societies can topple their tyrants and make countries that best suit their values. But getting involved doesn't work and is always done for the wrong reasons.

Take China. It has many successes in many areas. It spends more on the transition to clean energies than the US, the EU and the UK combined. It doesn't have representative government, but most Chinese don't see that as the be all end all. They want to see growth, stability, strong state services, effective governance and a vision for their country. Not all authoritarian states are bad, and not all liberal democracies are good.

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Maura's avatar

Thank you, Shane. Your grandparents must be lovely people. ❤️

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Shane Fitzgerald's avatar

Where are you from in the States, Maura?

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Maura's avatar

Illinois, outside of Chicago.

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Shane Fitzgerald's avatar

They were very lovely alright. I think my granny even proposed to my grandad, which would have been very unusual back when they got married. Pretty cool though.

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Maura's avatar

That is cool! My grandma would come over to visit from Galway almost every Summer when I was young. It was great talking to her and hearing about her experiences as a younger woman. She had seven children and raised them on a farm.

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Maura's avatar

No doubt America has interfered in other countries’ affairs. It did much damage in Central America. Actually, all over the world. However, our “democratic experiment”, was something to aspire to for many nations. Alas, we can certainly call America an authoritarian state now. So, our democracy was fragile. I still feel it’s the best political system, when it works. When I see your name, I think of Ireland, where my Dad and also my husband, were born and raised. I hope Europe can stay free with all my heart, and, hopefully, learn from America’s mistakes.

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Shane Fitzgerald's avatar

I think liberal democracy is a great system. Indeed, the very first band-level human societies were both very democratic and egalitarian, so there is something to its universalism.

It's a beautiful dream, but when we get into the implementation and how easy it is to weaponise, we see the problems.

I think the best we can do is to protect our liberal societies and our values. And the best way to do that is to be very active in protecting them at home, and stay out of other people's business abroad.

You're right, the US has huge problems, yet I think the fall began in the seventies. Trump is a symptom of the fall in my view, and a driver.

Have you been over to Ireland? Is a great country in a lot of ways. Sadly, I think Europe has loads of problems. China had its century of humiliation, I feel Europe may be on its way to having one.

Nice chatting with you, Maura. People don't always need to agree on things, but civil disagreement is a glorious thing.

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Maura's avatar

Good chatting with you, too, Shane. Yes, I agree with you, the fall did begin in the ‘70’s. You are exactly right, Trump is definitely a symptom of the fall and now a puppet of the oligarchy.

I have been to Ireland, visiting relatives in Galway. What wonderful people. So gracious and hospitable. I’d love to go back.

No, one doesn’t always have to agree. You sound like a fvery caring person. I appreciate that. Truth be told, we do need changes in our world.

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Shane Fitzgerald's avatar

That's very nice of you to say, Maura. You seem the same))

Galway is a great spot. My grandparents are from there. In the towns and villages that dot the west and southwest, I would argue are some of the friendliest and most fun people in the world. Glad you enjoyed it there))

Yes, huge number of huge issues.

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Maura's avatar

Unfortunately, prosecutions for genocidal crimes will not happen under the fascist regime we have now, because it was also complicit and continues to be. Also, I believe you are giving the Trump authoritarian regime far too much credit.

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Shane Fitzgerald's avatar

It would never happen under any of the American regimes.

I care more about world politics as well. And the single biggest issue of the last 5 years has been to avoid WW3. Nothing else will matter if it starts. Trump is less likely to cause it because he is less ideological apropos world politics than the Democrats, and can compromise with Russia and China. No single power is strong enough to force its vision of order on the rest now, whether anyone likes it or not, and so moral compromise is the logic of the age, and will be essential to avoid global war.

The Democrats are moral absolutists and cannot accept we now live in a multipolar political ecosystem and that the dream (it was a nightmare for many countries) of the Liberal Order is dead. This is why they're more dangerous.

Sadly, tragically, and horrifyingly, none of them care about Palestine and doing much to stop Zisrael.

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Lexine's avatar

Name a president who isn’t complicit in maintaining the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people. The US has no honor, no soul, unless we face our reality and make a fundamental change.

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Zareen's avatar

Nosferatu Matthew Miller has and will always be a piece of shit. He’s a professional liar who provided diplomatic cover for Israeli war criminals so no one should ever listen to anything he has to say. He needs to be shunned for the rest of his rotten life.

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MissAnneThrope's avatar

That weasel always made my skin crawl. You could SEE him lying. And that smirk!! The face you'd love to slap.

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Tom Bomer's avatar

Netanyahoo, smoltrich, and ben gavir need to die! Now

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דוד יוסף בן אברהם צבי's avatar

Make believe genocide.

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Fran Carbonaro's avatar

Most of us here knew he was lying since October 7th, along with his cohorts (I've never used the F bomb so much in my life). John Kirby, should be a used-car salesman! And Blinken, who's gone back to his guitar.... maybe it will teach him to weep. They are ALL complicit.

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Wendy E's avatar

I would not label this Biden's genocide. Biden did tell us that they had deals or reached a ceasefire and that Netanyahu backed out or went against it. I think much of this blame lies with the state department. Biden was always a people's president. I do not think he was ok with what was happening in Israel. Do you think that maybe this state department official wasn't honest with Biden. Presidents do have many people around them expecting people to get shit done.

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Shaun King's avatar

I’m guessing you don’t know a lot about Biden and Zionism. And you actually think he’s an honest man

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Wendy E's avatar

I probably don’t know much about Biden and Zionism. I do think Biden is an honest man and a far cry from the one we have in office now. That man doesn’t open his mouth without telling a lie.

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Shaun King's avatar

I understand why you would think this.

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Flobert's avatar

Piece of crap betraying Biden after having betrayed Palestinians

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Aisha's avatar
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Count Dracula needs to be held accountable for complicity in Genocide along with Genocide Joe, Butcher Blinken, Kamala, and ALL the rest who allowed this to knowingly happen. His confession should be used as evidence in the ICJ case. If following laws was still applicable for OUR criminal government officials, there is no statute of limitations on genocide under international law, as established by the 1968 Convention on the Non-Applicability of Statutory Limitations to War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity and affirmed in the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court. This means individuals can be prosecuted for genocide at any time after the crime, ensuring perpetrators do not evade justice due to the passage of time. The United States also eliminated statutory limitations for the crime of genocide through the Human Rights Enforcement Act of 2009. The Trump administration is CLEARLY playing the same EVIL game now and should EQUALLY be held responsible. They can add STARVATION and ETHNIC cleansing to THEIR war crimes list. Makes me so ANGRY…😡

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