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Lisa's avatar

Biden is as much a confederate as Trump is. Biden's lot are the one who chose to serve Israel's white-supremacist genocide, rather than make any effort to save the US from fascism. They were completely aware that they were handing the election to Trump, yet they refused to end their complicity in Israel's genocidal land-grab. This outcome was entirely intentional.

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Shaun King's avatar

Agreed

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Dorothy Li Calzi's avatar

Let’s remember it was Orin Hatch who recommended Garland to Obama. That was no gift. One of Biden’s worst appointments and why we are here

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Freedom Bound's avatar

This

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Shaun King's avatar

Indeed

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Aisha's avatar

As of right now, both parties don’t work for the American people. The Democrats fooled us into thinking that they did somewhat until their evil masks fell off and they were caught. The Republicans serve their masters quite openly. Either way this country is doomed. The only chance we have to save ourselves is to free our government officials from the tentacles of that failed disgusting Genocidal state.

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Shaun King's avatar

Absolutely agree Aisha

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Elizabeth's avatar

Not all democrats are the same. We need to refresh our memories about what “opposing party” is. We also need audits to remind us where the people who respect their oath of office are so we can vote against the others.

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Shaun King's avatar

Agreed

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esra1980's avatar

Hence the votepact.org that Sam Husseini suggests. Don't vote for the party but for the individual

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Jerry McIntire's avatar

Thankfully his civil suit is progressing and that judge's order stands, Khalil cannot be deported while the civil suit continues. And if he prevails? It calls into question this loony immigration court order.

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Tony Gallucci's avatar

But here’s what really vexes me Shaun. What I can’t really wrap my head around. There’s a whole world we can sell arms to. Not just Israel. If this is simply about making money for the military industrial complex, I may not see a lot of sense in that but at least that’s more understandable. But I keep feeling that there’s something much deeper here. Like this is biblical coming from people who bullshit us that they give a fuck about the Bible or any belief whatsoever, other than belief in their own brilliance, belief that they deserve fame and riches. There’s a story behind all this that is not making sense to me. Is this truly just simply about good versus evil?

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Elizabeth's avatar

Two things can be true at the same time.

1. The Dems are evil and complicit. They have never been on our side.

2. The repugs are usually worse, and under Trump, they are much worse.

The mistake that people make is to think that voting for the lesser evil is to assume that that's all you do. You vote the lesser evil and then go home and hope for the best, or you decide not to vote, and then fight. Again, you can do two things. You can vote the lesser evil, and then fight like hell, and you can make a tiny bit more progress in the fights because it isn't quite as bad out there.

As bad as Biden was (and my guess is that Kamala would have been very slightly worse on domestic economic issues, and very slightly better on Gaza and other foreign policy, but we can't know), it's pretty clear that life would be slightly better with Prez Kamala than what we have now. And if we had the sense to keep fighting, we could do better, with the slightly higher baseline.

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esra1980's avatar

Nothing would change regarding Israel's genocide- Kamala would NOT be slightly better she might just talk slightly better. If only more of us could have voted beyond these two parties, such as for Green Party, the only party that said no to genocide openly, then at least it would have crossed 5% threshold and be more viable next time.

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Elizabeth's avatar

I love how you just know that Kamala would have been just as bad as Trump. You can pull information out of the sky, using your mystical powers? And you're also a good friend of Harry Potter and Dumbledore?

Historically, most US presidents have been significantly better than Joe Biden. Trump is currently drastically worse than Biden. Using those facts, and extrapolating, it's reasonable to conclude that Kamala would have likely - not certainly, but likely - been considerably better than Trump.

My approach uses logic and probability. You just assert with no evidence.

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esra1980's avatar

I meant regarding the genocide. There is a lot of evidence, she was fully purchased by Israel lobby and could not have done different than Biden, as she also said so. Voting democrat again after the genocide was a red line for me, but I did not say Trump is better. As I said, my hope was to challenge the system and push for Green Party to grow, but millions of democrats did not vote at all rather than vote that. they may not even heard of Green Party and that it needed to cross 5% threshold to have a chance to grow to challenge the bipartisan corruption..

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Elizabeth's avatar

Until we have a ranked choice voting system, so that people can vote Green or whatever without worrying about spoilers, I just don't see any hope for third party politics. I say this as someone who was pretty heavily involved with the Greens at the time of the ballot access fight in CA. I've come back to thinking it's more useful to support progressive Dems, and proportional representation groups.

Politicians regularly do something different after they're elected. My rep, Ro Khanna, spearheaded a campaign to end the war in Yemen right after he was elected. It came out of nowhere. A bunch of us who hadn't trusted him were amazed and pleased. More often they do surprising bad things, but they can also occaisionally be better than they indicate. I agree Kamala said some bad things about Gaza, but she also said some good things, and we really don't know which way she'd have gone, if she could have escaped from Biden's handlers' clutches.

And I apologize for the snark. It was uncalled for, and I should have been better.

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