This wasn't a conversation I ever planned on having - and certainly I never imagined the day I'd defend Tucker Carlson - but here we are. It must be done.
Take a deep breath and slow down. When was the New Testament written and edited? Who compiled and edited it? It was under Emperor Constantine, a Roman. He had embraced Christianity and certainly didn’t want Rome blamed for the death of the Christian son of God. Please do your homework, study the history of the era in which Jesus preached, the role of Rome in the Levant and the creation of the Christian bible. An excellent book on this subject is “Constantine’s Sword: The Church and the Jews,” by a Catholic priest, James Carroll. Remember, the victors write the history, so it is incumbent upon us to think critically and read deeply.
James Carroll is not a Catholic priest. He left the priesthood in 1974, long before he wrote his books. He also wrote a recent book calling for the priesthood to be abolished. He is not a reputable source on Christianity; he has a very clear animus against it.
Thank you for sharing this. From the Old Testament (The Torah), New Testament (The Bible), it's time everyone read the final testament ( The Qur'an) and read the 114 chapters of the perfect words of God.
Perhaps in a future post, you can share your personal journey to Islam and what the Qur'an teaches about Jesus, peace and blessings be upon him, and that yes, the Qur'an confirms that Jesus is the Messiah, was saved by God, and saved from those who plotted to crucify him.
I'm an atheist, and I criticize Christianity, Judaism, and all religion even though I am an atheist for 25 years now, I occasionally criticize atheists (atheist and atheism are exactly the same thing). I appreciate what good Muslims and Christians do when I think they are right. So, please keep up the good work.
Just wow. And I double checked the verses. And how un versed are we? To proclaim we know without reading?
Thank you for this post. Whether modern day Jews believe this or not is a moot point. The ultra Zionists are claiming this is the land of Jews. So we will go by what is said in the original Bible. Also the beginning of the Quran it says I am just a continuation of the Torah and the Bible. If you cannot find the answers look in those writings.
And Jesus was a Jew. And he was a good sign not evil, and he was killed because they were afraid of losing control and money.
Well understood. But I offered it as a "call his bluff" kind of comment. One more exposure of deceit and hypocrisy (as if we needed more) One can assume he is lying each time he speaks. As I have said before in other contexts "I think the last time he told the truth was at age three he said "Mom I have to pee."
Historians mostly suggest that the Romans were the ones who wanted him dead, and that the story that it was the Jews was concocted when early Christians wanted their religion to be more appealing to non Jews. I think it's extremely risky to rely on the bible for actual history.
You have to understand something very fundamental about Christianity, and in particular Catholicism ... we believe Christ is found in everything. In everyone. It is the reason we say 'He is Risen' not He rose....His crucifixion is happening constantly.
Saying “the Jews killed Jesus” is like saying “the Christians massacred 2,000 people in Sabra and Shatila.” Such statements are misguided, at best. (1) neither killing had anything to do with the killers’ religion and (2) both statements miss the larger picture wherein the occupying power (Rome in the case of Jesus and Israel in the case of Sabra and Shatila) commanded and enabled the killing, regardless of who actually carried it out. It is irrelevant whether the people who killed Jesus were Jewish, just as it is irrelevant that the people who massacred Palestinians in Sabra and Shatila were Christian. To argue that it is relevant suggests that it was something about their Jewishness or their Christianness that made them do the killing, which is, at best, nonsense.
Sigh. We live in such troubled and stupid times. For what it is worth, my SoBap pastor Dad believed that the key fact was not that these apparently bad actors were Jews but that they were bad actors. In other words, had Jesus come to earth in China all the bad actors would have been Chinese. It really does not matter to me.
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Take a deep breath and slow down. When was the New Testament written and edited? Who compiled and edited it? It was under Emperor Constantine, a Roman. He had embraced Christianity and certainly didn’t want Rome blamed for the death of the Christian son of God. Please do your homework, study the history of the era in which Jesus preached, the role of Rome in the Levant and the creation of the Christian bible. An excellent book on this subject is “Constantine’s Sword: The Church and the Jews,” by a Catholic priest, James Carroll. Remember, the victors write the history, so it is incumbent upon us to think critically and read deeply.
James Carroll is not a Catholic priest. He left the priesthood in 1974, long before he wrote his books. He also wrote a recent book calling for the priesthood to be abolished. He is not a reputable source on Christianity; he has a very clear animus against it.
So noted. But was his well-argued argument wrong?
Asalamu alaikum Shaun
Thank you for sharing this. From the Old Testament (The Torah), New Testament (The Bible), it's time everyone read the final testament ( The Qur'an) and read the 114 chapters of the perfect words of God.
Perhaps in a future post, you can share your personal journey to Islam and what the Qur'an teaches about Jesus, peace and blessings be upon him, and that yes, the Qur'an confirms that Jesus is the Messiah, was saved by God, and saved from those who plotted to crucify him.
Jesus in the Quran
By: Syed Abul Ala Maududi December 24, 2021
https://www.islamicity.org/6405/jesus-in-the-quran/
Jesus in the Quran by Nouman Ali Khan - Official - Bayyinah
Playlist (16 videos) https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLutdSTmJ7bAL-Um6lL8K4-IULNBifHJck
Ahmad Deedat - Jesus Christ in Christianity and Islam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaLXCFm-pr8
Wa-Alaikum-Salaam my dear brother. I am working on something like this. Send my salaams to your family
Allah bless you, my brother!
ᴛᴡᴇʟᴠᴇ ʏᴇᴀʀs ᴏғ ᴄᴀᴛʜᴏʟɪᴄ sᴄʜᴏᴏʟ ᴀɴᴅ I'ᴠᴇ ᴏɴʟʏ sᴋɪᴍᴍᴇᴅ ɪᴛ (ɪᴛ's 07.30 ᴀɴᴅ ɪ ʜᴀᴠᴇɴ'ᴛ sʟᴇᴘᴛ)
ᴛʜɪs ɪs ᴡʜᴀᴛ ɪ'ᴠᴇ ʙᴇᴇɴ ᴡᴀɪᴛɪɴɢ ғᴏʀ. ɪᴛ ᴀʟʟ ʀɪɴɢs ᴛʀᴜᴇ / ᴛʜᴀɴᴋ ʏᴏᴜ (ɪ'ᴍ ʙᴇᴛᴡᴇᴇɴ ᴇʏᴇ sᴜʀɢᴇʀɪᴇs sᴏ ᴄᴀɴ ᴏɴʟʏ sᴇᴇ ᴛʜᴇ ᴍᴏʙɪʟᴇ ᴄʟᴇᴀʀʟʏ)
I'm an atheist, and I criticize Christianity, Judaism, and all religion even though I am an atheist for 25 years now, I occasionally criticize atheists (atheist and atheism are exactly the same thing). I appreciate what good Muslims and Christians do when I think they are right. So, please keep up the good work.
I am open to principled debate and disagreement still though. Hope you are well.
This was a tremendous amount of work for you to do to tell people what they already know. Sometimes the truth hurts.
You would be shocked at how many people really do not know this.
Definitely coming back for this read!
It’s pretty much just him giving 100 bible verses on why it was the Jews who killed Jesus.
I’ll be happy to read that too :)
Just wow. And I double checked the verses. And how un versed are we? To proclaim we know without reading?
Thank you for this post. Whether modern day Jews believe this or not is a moot point. The ultra Zionists are claiming this is the land of Jews. So we will go by what is said in the original Bible. Also the beginning of the Quran it says I am just a continuation of the Torah and the Bible. If you cannot find the answers look in those writings.
And Jesus was a Jew. And he was a good sign not evil, and he was killed because they were afraid of losing control and money.
Sounds all too familiar.
Truth has been dead a long time. Whats true is what the cabal says it is. Sick of the whole damnable lot. Is the coming revolution really a bad idea?
Love you, Shaun, miss you! Stay safe.
I am not sure the politics of 1st and 2nd century Judea is clear from the New Testament. I occasionally address this politics in my Substack posts.
https://handalacrucified.substack.com/p/rabbi-akivas-betrayal-and-the-bar?r=5fh12k
"Therefore the Jews said to him, “It is not lawful for us to put anyone to death.” Someone need to point this out to a certain head of state!
Indeed Jon. But man, Netanyahu really isn't even religious. It's all a ruse.
Well understood. But I offered it as a "call his bluff" kind of comment. One more exposure of deceit and hypocrisy (as if we needed more) One can assume he is lying each time he speaks. As I have said before in other contexts "I think the last time he told the truth was at age three he said "Mom I have to pee."
I do not think the issue was that it was contrary to Jewish law, but contrary to Roman law.
OK. If so I stand corrected on that, but not my point.
Historians mostly suggest that the Romans were the ones who wanted him dead, and that the story that it was the Jews was concocted when early Christians wanted their religion to be more appealing to non Jews. I think it's extremely risky to rely on the bible for actual history.
You have to understand something very fundamental about Christianity, and in particular Catholicism ... we believe Christ is found in everything. In everyone. It is the reason we say 'He is Risen' not He rose....His crucifixion is happening constantly.
Deeply moving, I can’t put into words, how your writing & descriptive explanations makes me feel, we must have goodness in this world. We must
Thank you my friend.
Saying “the Jews killed Jesus” is like saying “the Christians massacred 2,000 people in Sabra and Shatila.” Such statements are misguided, at best. (1) neither killing had anything to do with the killers’ religion and (2) both statements miss the larger picture wherein the occupying power (Rome in the case of Jesus and Israel in the case of Sabra and Shatila) commanded and enabled the killing, regardless of who actually carried it out. It is irrelevant whether the people who killed Jesus were Jewish, just as it is irrelevant that the people who massacred Palestinians in Sabra and Shatila were Christian. To argue that it is relevant suggests that it was something about their Jewishness or their Christianness that made them do the killing, which is, at best, nonsense.
Sigh. We live in such troubled and stupid times. For what it is worth, my SoBap pastor Dad believed that the key fact was not that these apparently bad actors were Jews but that they were bad actors. In other words, had Jesus come to earth in China all the bad actors would have been Chinese. It really does not matter to me.